Here is a long and largely unedited (audio) conversation between Bobby Scott, Wayne Wilson, and me. I haven't heard it since so I don't know if I agree with all that I said from this September 2018 conversation, but I trust it can still be edifying.

(We hope to release this longer conversation in 5 parts later for easier listening and following on the Shepeherd LA Podcast)

Bobby Scott is pastor of discipleship at Community of Faith Bible Church in South Gate, Southeast Los Angeles.

Wayne Wilson is the senior pastor of Acton Faith Bible Church in Acton, CA.

P. J. Tibayan is a pastor-theologian of Bethany Baptist Church in Bellflower, Southeast Los Angeles.